Commons:Deletion requests/File:Silver skin man a.i.jpg

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File:Silver skin man a.i.jpg

Possible derivative work of the Marvel character Silver Surfer Trade (talk) 17:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

 Keep per {{PD-algorithm}}: this is only a piece of art made by an AI algorithm, with no human authorship at all. As far as I know, silver aluminium bodies are not copyrighted. Fma12 (talk) 18:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

You literally just inserted the image onto the Wikidata item of Silver Surfer and now you insist the image have nothing to do with the character and any similarity is a pure coincidence Trade (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't need to remind me my edits so I know what I did. Of course I inserted it there! because it is the closest depiction to the surfer character I found. Now you tell me, is this an image taken from a comic book? Was it done by a human? have you seen this published on some media? NO. Moreover, if you search "metallic man" at Google, you'll find very similar depictions (such as this) made with computer graphics. Unless you show reliable proof that Marvel has copyrights over any kind of silver skin. – Fma12 (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

 Delete. Like the template says, In some cases, [image generation] models can produce images that contain major copyrightable elements of those copyrighted training images, making these outputs derivative works. And that's exactly what has happened here. Omphalographer (talk) 20:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

 Comment I'd like user Omphalographer say what are the "copyrightable" elements (regardind the SS) in this image. – Fma12 (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. It's a little harder to put my finger on than the Joker AI art, but the factors I'd point to, beyond the silvery metallic body, are:

• A hyper-muscular body type. This is common to many comic book characters, but its use here does point in the direction of this being a superhero.
• No visible clothing or body accessories.
• A completely bald head.
• Glowing eyes. (The red color in this image is a little off-model, granted.)
• A dark background evocative of space.
• A glowing white "stream" off the character's right arm, evocative of those seen on the cover of Silver Surfer #1.
• A shape vaguely resembling a surfboard in the background.

The combination of these factors makes the character fairly unmistakeable - enough so, in fact, that dropping the image into Google Images to do a "similar images" search yields primarily official images and fan art of the Silver Surfer. Omphalographer (talk) 05:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

 Delete the average layperson would easily mistake this for the Silver Surfer. The fact that it’s in both the category and the wikidata item are pretty damning. Dronebogus (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Keep I disagree with and do not think that people are not allowed to draw characters of trademarked products. That's just fan art and photographs of sculptures seem to be allowed as well. It's a good image for the WikiData item too and I think Fma12 for closing this gap. No arguments such as policy or law for why such images would be disallowed has been put forward here so far. --Prototyperspective (talk) 12:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

 Comment I completely disagree with user:Omphalographer. It's an AI-generated image of a metallic skin man, it is not the Silver Surfer. This piece of art was not drawn by Jack Kirby or any Marvel artist so the copyright owner (Marvel) can't claim any rights over this image. Some of the reasons he stated to be subjects of copyright (such as "hyper-muscular body type", or "no visible clothing or body accessories") are pretty generic attributes used in several art to claim any copyright over this image (the Michalangelo's David was also a hyper muscular body and he was not a superhero) – Fma12 (talk) 10:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

My your own logic nothing can possibly be a derivative work Trade (talk) 21:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Deleted: Unlike Commons:Deletion requests/File:Joker art dream a.i.jpg which was a very clear-cut case (no doubt at all that the image intended to depict DC Comics' Joker), and which I deleted, this one is bit more difficult. The file's title and description don't suggest that it's intending to depict the "Silver Surfer" specifically, just "a man with a silver skin". And if I search for images of Marvel's Silver Surfer, he never looks quite like this one; for example, if I'm not mistaken, the "official" Silver Surfer is never depicted with red eyes. On the other hand, the uploader's actions here on Commons indicate that they did intend to use this as a representation of the Silver Surfer - after all, Fma12 themselves added the image to Category:Silver Surfer, so Fma12 now defending it with "It's an AI-generated image of a metallic skin man, it is not the Silver Surfer" isn't really believable. I was still wavering, but ultimately, Prototyperspective's argument "It's a good image for the WikiData item" (for the Silver Surfer) is the final nail in the coffin for that image: If it's deemed that close to the original Silver Surfer that it can be used for the Wikidata item, it must be considered a Derivative work of that copyrighted appearance which we can't accept. --Gestumblindi (talk) 22:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)